When you learned he had defected, did you have any explanation? [23], Oswald was the subject of a 1966 book by Jean Stafford titled A Mother in History, a profile of Marguerite Oswald. …. His father dies of a heart attack two months before Lee is born, leaving Marguerite alone to care for Lee and his older brother, Robert, Jr., and half-brother Edward John Pic. I don’t know at what age Mother verbalized the effect that she felt he was a burden to her. He was seeming to be pretty adamant about it. What was going on there? The appeal to Lee of something like that Marxism, communism, socialism, would be something unique, something different — not [an] everyday occurrence. But certainly by age three, he had the sense, “I need to be someplace else.” Mother would be putting him with a nanny, or a babysitter, or in an orphan home with us, just to get us out of her hair. She wrote a booklet titled Aftermath of an Execution: The Burial and Final Rites of Lee Harvey Oswald, which was never published. What do you do with his general opportunity? The first thing he says is — and he points to it — “It’s tapped.” … I tell him it may or may not be. He toyed with people like that. What do you mean? Nine months into the pandemic, the virus has killed more than 19,000 Floridians. What did he have in the back of his mind? Did she let you know and did she let him know that the kids were a burden? Can you summarize what the atmosphere was like there that Saturday, and what you made of it? Their first son, Robert Jr., was born April 7, 1934, and though Robert Sr. wanted to adopt John, Oswald refused this in order to maintain Edward's support payments. I think this was passed on to Lee. …. So consequently, he calls me up and he tells me that they’re moving to Dallas. …, As things progressed down the line … the job didn’t work out. At what age Lee started gathering this, or sensing it, or hearing it and applying it to him, I don’t know. You’ve talked about Lee’s character — trying to do something, getting frustrated, doing something dramatic. We talked about family matters. That’s the shocker. We reserve the right to not post comments that are more than 400 words. He had an interesting experience and he had a Russian wife. He could project this type of image, and he did; he tried to. [1][2], Oswald was born Marguerite Frances Claverie in 1907 to John Claverie, whose family were French Catholics, and Dora Stucke, a German Lutheran, a family of French and German descent. “Mrs. If you had to take a guess about when he got his political beliefs, how he was introduced to Marxism, what would you guess? After Lee’s return, approximately two weeks, in the latter part of June 1962, he gets a call from one of the FBI agents — I believe that was Mr. Fain — in wanting to have a meeting with him. Consequently, people left it wide open. I asked him, I said, “Lee, what in the Sam Hill is going on?” He said, “I don’t know what they’re talking about.” I said, “Lee, they’ve got you charged with the death of the president, shooting a police officer. He knew something they didn’t know, and he would keep it to himself. [20] She created a shrine in her home to honor his life and military service, and frequently promoted conspiracy theories regarding the assassination. If we go and get right down to the bottom line, we have to say, really and truly, in all candor, [she did] a lousy job, a lousy job. [To those who say,] “He didn’t own a rifle.” We know he owned a rifle. Oswald was portrayed in the 1966 London stage adaptation of The Silence of Lee Harvey Oswald by actress Bessie Love. He had the presence of mind then to do that. But she certainly conveyed it to John and I at very early ages. What did he say, and what were you trying to get out of him? From Russia, he had written you, saying that he was worried about charges being brought against him when he came back. It maybe opened up some doors for him. But you go back to the death of Dad two months before he was born, that’s a tremendous impact. … We spent some time together. It is a perplexing question that does not have an easy answer. He said no, that wasn’t necessary, he could take care of it. … His plans, as we well know now, were already made to go to Russia, rather than to Cuba. You had said that he had very much been on his own in New York. Lee’s fantasy life, to me, became apparent in the 1948, 1949, 1950 period. How would he have reacted to that? On August 19, 1939, little more than a year after the Oswalds bought a house on Alvar Street, Robert Lee Oswald died of a heart attack[4] while mowing a lawn on a hot day. She later married Edwin A. Ekdahl that year. So he’s very upbeat up on it. He was making fun of how inept they were, and he was making fun of them all the time. While in police custody, Oswald … [3] Oswald's older sister, Lillian Murret, related that their family was poor but happy. As far as Lee giving any information to the Russians while he was over there, even though he said he would if they had asked, apparently they weren’t interested in it. If somebody passed out a leaflet on the street that contained a political statement for Marxism or communism or what have you, and if Lee had not run across that before, I could envision him looking at it, keeping it and saying, “Well, I wonder what this is all about.” This might have been the first leaflet that he ever got from anybody on the street. Young Oswald … … I was just completely in the dark. I mean, you’re his brother; you would want to believe more than anyone. Historically in his life, it was always done by himself. [3], In August 1929, while she was still working at the law firm, Oswald married Edward John Pic, Jr., a clerk for a stevedoring company. What do you do with his actions? She was granted this peculiar request after revealing her identity, and the reporter to chauffeur her was Bob Schieffer. The Cold War was going on. After getting some help with the Secret Service as far as getting a pass up to see Lee, I was allowed to visit with him approximately eight to 10 minutes. In 1911 Her mother died, leaving Oswald, her three sisters, and brothers Charles and John in the care of their streetcar conductor father, who raised them on a salary of $90 a month, though he had the help of housekeepers. Oswald had 1 older full brother and another half-brother (from his mother's first marriage). To me, you can’t reach but one conclusion. But he had said he was going to give the Russians any information he had, and it seemed like he did. He was, in fact, an American citizen all the time, and still had the rights of the American citizen. So he thought he’d get a post office box that would be a permanent-type thing. What would it be? Hartogs reported that Oswald did not understand that Lee's withdrawal was a form of "violent but silent protest against his neglect by her and represents his reaction to a complete absence of any real family life. His wife is trying to have a second child born in Russia. Initially, when we started talking, I was concerned about his bruises on his face … that he had received at his capture at the Texas theater. He was just out of the Marine Corps. That’s where he started doing a lot of reading and everything. … But my goodness, this is completely out of the ballpark. Lee Harvey Oswald "I'm just a patsy.”--spoken at a press conference at Dallas Police headquarters the night of his arrest, November 22, 1963, as a suspect in the assassination of President Kennedy. This was something all his own. I don’t know how you want to express it, but that’s the way he characterized her at the time. [6] However, Lee became truant, preferring to stay home to read and watch television over attending school. On October 18, 1939, Lee Harvey Oswald is born in New Orleans, Louisiana, to Marguerite and Robert Oswald, Sr., and that’s when the trouble started. The continuity there, the lack of stability, I think, entered into that to a large degree. Everything is deteriorating. Jon and Jo Ann Hagler on behalf of the Jon L. Hagler Foundation. So, to me, that was his back-up plan if everything else failed. You could tell by the tone of the language, not that we could understand the Russian language, but the tone and the facial expressions … that they were having an argument. He was assuming everything was being recorded, and, unfortunately, it wasn’t. He toyed with the interrogators down at the Dallas police station, all that weekend [after the assassination]. Page 315 Boggs: Your mother in her testimony before the Commission, gave the impression and later in press stories that she thought that maybe your brother was an agent of the CIA. Pic supported him until he was 18, though he only saw him occasionally in his first year, and then not again until he was 16. There is no question in my mind that he also shot Officer Tippit. … He’d made some contacts within the Russian community in Fort Worth and in Dallas. He was relaxed, but at about the second day, he starts talking about where he’s going. He said no, he wanted that one up there. Tampa Bay Times investigates a retirement complex that became an early epicenter. … He pressed the lieutenants, he pressed the platoon leaders. He’d actually applied for Albert Schweitzer’s school in Switzerland, and been accepted for that summertime or fall semester. [12] Oswald referred to her son's murder by Jack Ruby as "the tragic event." That was a training ground [for] his imagination. He’s going to fit in to where he needs to fit in to accomplish what he needs to accomplish … what is very essential to get by with, to be somebody. What do you say to people who are so convinced or are trying to believe in his innocence? We’ll look into it.”. There was always a constant move. But he would look at it. What do you do with his pistol? He wasn’t political. Oswald's body was exhumed in 1981 and his original casket was discarded when he was reburied. I’m sure for a certain minimal fee, you could ride the subways all day, and he would do it just to get around. …. Alleged assassin of President John F. Kennedy, son of Marguerite Frances Claverie Oswald. ", She died in 1981 and is buried beside her son Lee at the Shannon Rose Hill Memorial Burial Park in Fort Worth, Texas. After her husband was … He never did answer. Oswald was portrayed by Annabelle Weenick in the 1977 television film The Trial of Lee Harvey Oswald. He indicated that, if reporters were asking about when he’s coming back, to say nothing He wanted not to be bothered by the reporters. … When he first approached the divided cubicles and I picked up the telephone on my side, he picked up his. When I returned home from work that evening, I asked him about it, and he said, “Well, everything went all right. This was unsettling. "[7], When Lee returned to school for the 1953 Fall semester, his disciplinary problems continued, and when Oswald failed to cooperate with school authorities, they came consider placing him in a home for boys. … He says he got that at the theater, and they hadn’t been mistreating him since then. Apparently he’d been planning this for a long time. What’s the best answer you come to for yourself regarding his motive? He planned by himself, he executed by himself, he failed by himself. …. He was using his own imagination. And you don’t know what the Sam Hill is going on?”, I became kind of intense at that point, looking into his eyes. There’s another seed that’s planted in him that stayed there forever. People ought to take note of this, that he should be interesting. Did he talk about the Russian system and the American system and comparing the two? Oswald. [7][8] Before the New York family court system could address their case,[7][9] the Oswalds left New York in January 1954, and returned to New Orleans,[7][10] where Lee finished the ninth grade before he left school to work for a year. …, Finally, I guess, I couldn’t stand it anymore. It was a happy moment when twelve-year-old Lee Harvey Oswald and his half-brother, John Edward Pic, met up in the streets of New York in 1952. Brother of JFK assassin Lee Harvey Oswald suing funeral home which sold killer's coffin for £55,000 after his body was exhumed as part of … In your mind, are there questions about whether Lee shot President Kennedy? They didn’t know for sure if he was an agent or not. She had been overbearing or whatever. Talk about his mother’s importance to him. You don’t think that there was any possibility that he was on some mission when he went to Russia? He started becoming more and more independent and out on his own because Mother was working all the time, no brothers around, no father figure around, no adult that he was acquainted with that he could rely on to and talk to. Web Site Copyright ©1995-2020 WGBH Educational Foundation. He didn’t elaborate on that. But things were tight at that time. I Led Three Lives — he became really engrossed in that particular TV show, and he was still watching it when I left to go in the Marine Corps in 1952. Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged assassin in the 1963 slaying of President John F. Kennedy, was only 24 years old when he was killed by Jack Ruby in Dallas. One was he wanted to get his manuscript … typed up and written. One family that had hired her as a baby nurse fired her when they began to suspect she was drugging their infant so he would stop crying at night. [4], In August 1952, Oswald and Lee moved to New York City, where they lived for a short time with her son John Pic,[5] a Coast Guard staff sergeant who worked at the Port Security Unit at Ellis Island, and who lived with his 18-year-old wife Marge and their three-month-old son[6] in an apartment at 325 East 92nd Street. The Possessions of Lee Harvey Oswald: Clothing. I wrote him back that, to my knowledge, nothing he has done warrants any charges, because they did not let him accomplish anything over there, i.e., the U.S. Embassy did not accept his citizenship rejection. … Marina had gone over there to live with somebody until he got established over there. …. They separated in 1946, and formally divorced in 1948. He was ready. He did not and would not talk to any of the interrogators about anything of substance. … The planning that Lee did probably at least extended all the way back to the time he was in Japan … because of the clothes he purchased at the time, If it didn’t work for Russia, he was going to stay in Europe anyway. "[13][14], After the assassination, Secret Service agent Jerry Parr was assigned to protect Oswald until the completion of her February 1964 testimony before the Warren Commission. We were away from Lee during the three years of military school, only seeing him during the summer vacations or holiday-type things. Their son, John Edward Pic, was born on January 17, 1932. You look at the factual data, you look at the rifle, you look at the pistol ownership, you look at his note about the Walker shooting. What was his concern? True, no one saw him actually pull the trigger on the president but … his presence in the building was there. Major funding for FRONTLINE is provided by the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation and the Ford Foundation. Lee Harvey Oswald (October 18, 1939 – November 24, 1963) was a former U.S. Marine who assassinated United States President John F. Kennedy on November 22, 1963.. Oswald was placed in juvenile detention at the age of seven for truancy, during which time he was assessed by a psychiatrist as "emotionally disturbed", … Oswald was portrayed in the 1966 London stage adaptation of The Silence of Lee Harvey Oswald by actress Bessie Love.[24]. When he returned to the United States, he didn’t want to be a Russian. All these ups and downs he’s having, he keeps trying to get up and make it at some level, but he’s not succeeding. They’ve got the original negative. New York City. Lee was found to exhibit higher-than-normal intelligence for his age, and showed no signs of neurological impairment or psychotic impairment, having scored 118 on an IQ test. You’ve got the backyard picture. Lee Harvey Oswald (October 18, 1939 – November 24, 1963) was, according to five government investigations, the sniper who assassinated U.S. President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Texas on November 22, 1963.. A former U.S. Marine who lived in the Soviet Union for almost 3 years, Oswald was first arrested for the murder of … It’s good that people raise questions and say, “Wait a minute, let’s take a second look at this.” But when you take the second look and the third and the 40th and the 50th, hey, enough’s enough. He moves into his own apartment and everything. We talked about this at a great length during that first week. We’re talking seven, eight, nine, 10 years old. You'll receive access to exclusive information and early alerts about our documentaries and investigations. ", Evelyn D Siegel, a social worker who interviewed both Lee and Oswald at Youth House, while describing "a rather pleasant, appealing quality about this emotionally starved, affectionless youngster which grows as one speaks to him," found that he had detached himself from the world around him because "no one in it ever met any of his needs for love. 117, a junior high school in the Bronx, where he was teased by classmates for his regional clothes and accent,[6][7] Around this same time, John noticed that Lee's disposition at home changed. Well, his concern was, was there anything that I was aware of that [there] were going to be charges placed against him from anybody? … I would love to be able to say that Lee was not involved in any way whatsoever, or much less to the extent that I believe that he was. Before JFK, Lee Harvey Oswald Tried to Kill an Army Major General Oswald’s wife Marina, two daughters, brother Robert and mother Marguerite were the only mourners. 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